Adam White
Brant, I was hoping you could share a little bit about the importance of going to places of power in Huichol Indian shamanism with us today.
Brant Secunda
That is such an important part of the culture and the tradition of Huichol shamanism. You go to sacred places of power to pray, to ask for lessons for your life, to make positive affirmations at a place of power. Pilgrimage is such a vital and essential part of practicing Huichol shamanism.
Adam White
When you travel to sacred places of power, do you go alone? Do you go with the village or with others?
Brant Secunda
You can go alone, but you hopefully will go with another shaman or people from the village. It's a group effort. That's what's so beautiful about a pilgrimage. It brings together the individual person with a community, his family or her family, and it brings you together with members of your village. In that way, you all go together. You might have different prayers, different hopes, different wishes, but you are on a pilgrimage. You are on a sacred journey to a place of power together as one heart. As one spirit, we say.
You go with the shaman hopefully because the shaman will bless you at the place. The shaman will give you the power of the place. A shaman knows how to capture the power, the energy of the place, and give it to all the people, the pilgrims, who are on this journey.
Adam White
The focus is to have a communion with nature.
Brant Secunda
Right. Exactly. A communion with a specific place of power.
Adam White
That has a specific energy.
Brant Secunda
Like the ocean, a river. Yes.
Adam White
Is there a difference between something like going to an ocean in terms of its energy and how it affects our lives?
Brant Secunda
Yes, one place ... The ocean is water. Water has the power of beauty. You might go to the ocean for certain things, or you might go to a mountain for certain things. It's like in our modern world, some people prefer going to the beach for their holiday. Other people like to go to a mountain resort, let's say, for a holiday. Depends what you feel and how you are happily affected by a place. Same with the Huichol. They will sometimes go to the ocean if they're feeling drawn to the ocean, or they might go to a mountain place of beauty or place of power. They might go to a river.
It just depends on the individual person. The Huichols are free to choose themself where would they like to go to. If someone wants to go then he or she might round up a shaman and family members who want to go.
Adam White
What do they do when they're trying to get ready to go to a place of power like this?
Brant Secunda
If they can, they will make a prayer arrow. What they call an URU, which means arrow of light. You make a prayer arrow to bring to a place, and then you leave it there as a way to empower the place, but as a way for you to ask for something as well.
Adam White
When you ask for something, is it something that we would go to a place of power to pray for? Is this what we do with the prayer arrow?
Brant Secunda
Yes, you go and you might ask for something like good luck in your life or blessings or healing, or whatever. Something positive. You would go there and do that. You also might leave chocolate at a place of power because chocolate represents love. When you give chocolate to a human being, chemicals are activated in your body, which are the same chemicals that when you are physically or emotionally in love with another human being. You will leave maybe a little chocolate at a place of power and maybe a beeswax candle, or a prayer arrow.
Adam White
When we arrive at a place of power.
Brant Secunda
Yes.
Adam White
What do we first do? We put the arrow down or we put out some chocolate?
Brant Secunda
No, you pray first.
Adam White
You pray first?
Brant Secunda
Yeah.
Adam White
And then leave the offerings?
Brant Secunda
Yes.
Adam White
Uh huh. When we ask for things, is there something in particular the Huichols tend to ask for or to pray for?
Brant Secunda
They might ask for energy. What we talked about before, kupuri, life force. They might ask for memory. Memory of who they are, of who we are as a person. That we are sacred, that we are connected to our universe. You might ask for ... If you're pregnant, a woman might as ask for a healthy baby, or she might go together with her husband and pray for the baby to come. You might pray for good luck. Something like that.
Adam White
Those are some of the more common things people might ask for on a pilgrimage?
Brant Secunda
Yes. Yes. Mm-hmm (affirmative). Right.
Adam White
This pilgrimage process, is that central to Huichol life?
Brant Secunda
It's a big, big part of Huichol life, and it brings together, we said before, the individual person with their community or family and with the whole village and mother earth. You're going to a place on the earth. It's very important for the Huichols because it's one way to connect with nature, which, as we know, is a big part of shamanism. Connecting with nature, finding your true nature that is inherently connected with nature.
Adam White
This is especially empowering to the individual when they travel with a shaman.
Brant Secunda
Yes.
Adam White
This is what I'm not sure about. They have ways of helping us connect with that power when we get there, when we go to that place of power.
Brant Secunda
Shamans?
Adam White
Yes.
Brant Secunda
Yeah.
Adam White
They help the people who go with them.
Brant Secunda
Yes, they, Shamans, have learned during their apprenticeship to capture the power of the place and give a transmission of energy from that place to the people who have come with them.
Adam White
Wow. Well, thank you so much for sharing a little bit about the power of pilgrimage and places of power with us today.
Brant Secunda
Great. Thank you.