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Finding the Soul

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Where is our Soul? Brant Secunda says “it is in the place between two heartbeats.” But finding this place requires us to focus on the heart; to develop a relationship to nature through the heart.

We inquire about the Huichol perspective on the Soul/Body connection that has become so popularized in our modern world and learn from Brant how to empower our bodies through our innate connection to the Earth.

Do the Huichol differentiate the Spirit from the Soul? We examine this question and the importance of bringing all three (body, heart/soul, and spirit) into unification.
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Brant Secunda

Brant Secunda

Shaman & Healer

Brant Secunda is a shaman, healer, and ceremonial leader in the Huichol Indian tradition of Mexico. He completed a 12-year apprenticeship with Don José Matsuwa, the renowned shaman who passed away in 1990 at the age of 110. Brant Secunda is the adopted grandson of Don José and was chosen by Don José to take his place to help carry on Huichol Shamanism. He is the co-founder of the American Herbalist Guild, and the founder of the Huichol Foundation. Since 1979 Brant Secunda has been the Director of the Dance of the Deer Foundation Center for Shamanic Studies and leads seminars and pilgrimages worldwide. His work has been documented on television, radio, and in articles and books throughout the USA, Europe and Japan. He is the co-author of the award-winning book Fit Soul Fit Body: 9 Keys to a Healthier, Happier You.


  • Mark Allen

    Mark Allen


Mark Allen We all know where to find our bodies. All we have to do is look down and there it is. How do you find your soul, where is your soul?
Brant Secunda Your soul is your heart, and everyone has a heart, the last I noticed. The soul is our heart. The soul is our inner universe. The soul is the place between two heartbeats, that's where the soul is, between two heartbeats.
Mark Allen Is that how we can become more aware of our own soul is to find that place of quiet or a place between the two heartbeats?
Brant Secunda We find our soul by developing a good heart and by looking inside of our heart. That is where our soul is. The thing people talk about a lot nowadays is the soul/body connection.
Mark Allen What is that connection for the Huichols?
Brant Secunda That connection is that our body is connected to the body of Mother Earth. Our physical body is connected to the physical body of the Earth Mother, and so that everyone is connected, everyone is united, everyone is together with their Mother Earth through their body. Their body walks on the earth. Their body sleeps on the earth. Their body lives on the earth. That is the way that it is. When we draw that power of the earth into our body, that makes us have physical power.
Mark Allen That's beautiful. Is there a difference between somebody's soul and their spirit?
Brant Secunda The spirit is the part of us that's outside. The spirit is our outer environment.
Mark Allen The soul is ... ?
Brant Secunda The soul is the inner environment.
Mark Allen How is the soul/body, how are those 2 things connected?
Brant Secunda Our body is connected to the body of Mother Earth and so we draw in that power. Our soul is connected to the body so it goes back and forth as mirrors, as a reflection of each other as a way of being.
Mark Allen How can we foster that connection?
Brant Secunda By living a life of balance and harmony, it's that easy.
Mark Allen Wow, beautiful. Thank you.
Brant Secunda You're welcome.